IamA victim of the knockout game. Ask Me Anything

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I can't answer that question, but I wish I could.

Hey, thanks for taking the time to talk about this.

You should consider adding your incident to the official Wikipedia page. The more we document this, the faster we can build legislation against it to prevent future attacks.

The issue with the "knockout game" is that the media doesn't want to report on it. Rather, it gets swept under the rug because no one wants to report it as a racial crime. Apparently, pointing out that black people are targeting white people is 'racists' in its self.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockout_(violent_game)

Can you add it for me?

Sure, write a brief summary about the event using specific details and I will post it. Based on the ones on there, you should include the state and town it happened in. Is there an online article I could post with it as a source?

Just the one posted as proof. It happened on 1/31/2014 at 1:20 am in San Antonio TX.

You are lucky to be alive, man. A lot of these guys bleed out on the pavement, not to be found for hours.

I feel lucky to be alive.

Was there any witnesses? Why didn't the news article provide descriptions of the attackers?

I told the news they were black. I don't know why they didn't report it. Yes there were witnesses. One saved me. Unfortunately most of the witnesses had a glossy entertained look on their faces.

Do you believe that it is a race issue?

Black youth purposely attacking the White Community?

Well they targeted me because I am white no doubt about it. Racial slurs started immediately after they started attacking me.

Serious question. Were the assailants Black? If they were, how will you act when you see group of black people walking your way? My friend was a victim of the knockout game in Washington DC a few months back and now when he sees a group of young Black kids, he walks to the other side of the street. I can't blame him. Hope you have a speedy recovery!

Yes they were all Black. I'm not going to let this effect me psychologically. It wasn't the black race that did this to me, it was just some idiots.. If anything this has only made me stronger, and I'll definitely try to be more alert.

But it was your race that made you a target. I admire you for being a better man than I believe I would be in that situation.

I hope your assailants are brought to justice, and more important, that you heal up with no lasting damage. That's a nasty pic!

Thank you, I'm healing.

I hate to bring it up, but have you ever thought of getting a concealed carry permit? I had a similiar situation when I was in school that makes me want to get one.

I am debating it.

First of all, I'm glad you're alive. Will you take any preventative measures when leaving the house now?

I'm going to look into acquiring a concealed hand gun license.

And thank you, glad to be alive still too =)

Around what age where the dicks that did this?

They were in their young 20s.

How serious was the damage? The article doesn't go deep into how bad the injuries were.

I have a skull fracture, concussion, and my eye socket was knocked loose. When I blow my nose I can inflate my face, and if I suck instead of blow I can cough some blood clots out.

I have a skull fracture, concussion, and my eye socket was knocked loose. When I blow my nose I can inflate my face, and if I suck instead of blow I can cough some blood clots out.

i know it just happened but has there been any progress in finding the guys who did this?

I am waiting to hear back from the detective assigned to my case. I have a case #. I'm working with the owner of the establishment I was at and he is crawling through video footage pulling up images. As soon as we get those images, hopefully we will have an idea of who these guys where.

Since you can sue everyone involved and own their asses the rest of their lives, it would be worth getting a lawyer and a good private detective on.the case. The police are useless and only care about cases they can make money on(drugs and traffic).

I agree.

Was it a sustained attack or did they run off once they had attacked you?

Once I hit the ground they yelled "knock out" and started going through my clothes. They ripped my suit looking for money, and when I told them I had nothing, it seemed they wanted to kidnap me. When I tried to scream for help they tried their hardest to knock me unconscious. Finally when help came for me they ran away, jumped into an SUV and sped away.

Jesus, pal. I can only imagine how horrible it must have been. My advice would be to try and not let it get under your skin. Try not to dwell on the 'what ifs' because that can do a lot more harm than good. I hope you make a speedy recovery both physically and mentally :)

P.S you said you train Krav. I suggest looking up a self protection expert on YouTube called Lee Morrison. He is a no-nonsense kind of guy and his teaching techniques are spot on. Also, at the end of the day there were multiple attackers and the reality is you were outnumbered. Anyone would have had a hard time dealing with that.

I was more scared then I ever have been. I just wanted to escape but I couldn't.

Since it happened to you, have you been contacted by other folk who have been attacked like this? Any thoughts on why incidents like this continue to be tip toed around by the media?

Hope you heal up OK and don't let it change you.

I haven't talked to anyone else who it has directly happened to, but I think it was here someone mentioned it happened to one of their family members. There are many reasons I can speculate why the media ignores certain cases, I just can't say for sure.

Do you want revenge?

No, justice.

If you had had a handgun in your jacket and told them you had some money to give them, then pulled your gun and shot several of them dead, would that have been a justified use of lethal force?

Would you have been prepared to shoot them?

It definitely would have been justified, I just don't know if I could pull it off.

Has the the attack changed your views of society, crime or anything?

Yes it has. Peoples support has shown me that the world is actually opposite of the way the media portrays it. There are a lot of good people in this world. I was beaten by a few bad guys, but I'm feeling a lot of love through that pain. I'm not perfect, I've made some mistakes and I've hurt people. I don't want anyone to feel victimized on my behalf. This world needs more people who are actively trying to make it better, and I want to be part of that.

I've heard that the "knockout game" (at least, in its inception) was largely a media circus in which news networks pulled together unrelated incidents of street violence and made it out to be something that it was not. In short, the knockout game didn't actually exist. That is, until it was publicized as being so. Now, obviously, you've been hurt badly. No question about that, and you have my sympathies. But here's my question: Was it really the "knockout game" that was being perpetrated in your assault, or was this a case of the media pulling together unrelated events into something wicked as a (unintentional or not) publicity stunt? If it actually was a part of the knockout game, do you think that this was something that wasn't real to begin with, but became so due to its publicity and copycats that came out of it?

Or, am I just spewing nonsense?

? If it actually was a part of the knockout game, do you think that this was something that wasn't real to begin with, but became so due to its publicity and copycats that came out of it?

Those are all good questions. I think the concept 'knockout game' is a creation of media sensationalism. I think what can be construed as 'part of the knock out game' at this point is widely interpretable considering how new the 'game' is. But I think it could legitimately put into that category based off the fact they yelled "KNOCK OUT!" after the first hit, as this is a main trend with the 'game'.

The article mentions that the police claim that you said there was a fight you walked through and you dispute that. Would you ever in your life actually walk through a group of guys fighting? Just that that seems like something no rational person would do so I'm wondering why the police would say such a thing.

There was no fight any where. The owner of the establishment has confirmed there was no fight. I walked by some people arguing, but they weren't the people who beat and tried to mug me. If I saw a fight going on I would have just went back the way I came.

On behalf of the African American community, I just want to say sorry this happened to you. Let it be known that not all Black people are like this. Every race has their ignorant side ...

I know that. No need to apologize on behalf of a bunch of idiots.

Are you going to take legal action?

Yes a police report has been filed. The owner of the bar is working on getting video images of possible suspects for me to ID.

Do you plan on exacting revenge?

I would rather deter this type of behavior. As far as revenge, I'll take justice.

Have you considered writing a letter to the editor describing what was missing from the article? like the description of the attackers?

I did describe what I knew about their appearance.

I've seen some youtube footage of this 'game', isnt it just 1 punch by one person of the group or just an entire group that punched you and run?

It was initially one person who hit me and said "knock out" but then he tried to rob me and when I fought back they all beat me.

The report seems to indicate that you told cops one thing right after the attack, but you indicate another happened. I can certainly understand that right after the attack you aren't at your clearest (especially considering your ordeal). Can you just clarify, to the best of your ability, what happened? You leave the bar and then what...

As I'm leaving I am walking towards my car and I was passing a group of people who were arguing. I told them a joke that boisterous arguing impedes the progress of society. Everyone kinda laughed and we all walked away. I was walking up to my car and an unknown person came from behind me and I heard "get the white boy" when I turned around I got hit and fell down, was completely disoriented. As soon as I hit the ground I heard them say "KNOCK OUT!". But I wasn't completely knocked out. I was conscious enough to stop them from just taking what was in my pockets. When I figured out what they were trying to do, I tried to escape, but when I would try to squirm away they would yell "stomp that white boy out" and they stomped on my head and face. I heard people from the original group I talked to coming back and saying "hey stop doing that to him" and "someone help him". I think everyone who witnessed it was too afraid to do anything. In the end a girl jumped in to my aid and the bartender and security staff finally came, but at this point I was almost beaten into a coma.

This is scary as fuck

It was very scary.

After the beating I was disoriented and confused. I needed time to recollect and there was so much noise and people talking and telling me different things. I just needed some clear time to think about what had just happened.

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Well they owe me an apology to start with. I feel like these guys should be legally indebted to me some how. I guess as a judge my only legal choice of punishment would be prison time. I know that they would just go to prison, get out, and be the same. It's a tough question.

Couldn't you also file some sort of criminal suit? Sue them for damages? After all, your life has been changed.

Just need to find them first.

I'm also thinking if you could somehow publicly shame these colostomy bags, that might help. Like the police find out who they are and you print out posters to warn the neighborhood about them. Big glossy mugshots....

I think that's an excellent point. Public humiliation is a good choice and should be utilized more.

Why do you personally think you were targeted?

Because I was white wearing nice clothes.

do you think you are more likely to not relax around blacks?

I think I'm going to be more cautious with my surroundings.

I live in the central Texas area and witnessed some of these pathetic group of fucks do this to people, I've seen at least 3 so far this school year, and this is just at my high school. I find it disgusting that people would resort to this just for "Entertainment". I kind of question reality and the faith in humanity every time I see an act or video of this "Game". Anyways I'm really glad that you're better and hope that you make a full Recovery. And sorry to be negative about this but I think the thought of carrying a concealed weapon frightens me and I hope you have second thoughts about it, because I don't think "act of violence + Glock 19 = peace" I would consider getting maybe a taser or pepper spray or something less lethal, but again I hope you make a full recovery:)

I was considering the taser option!

Consider that if you're ever jumped by a gang again, a taser can only incapacitate one guy, and the rest will have a score to settle.

That's true. I was looking at another one that has a double shot. One with a 6 shot would be nice.

In the event you were armed when this happened, would you have fired on them?

I don't think I would have had the chance, they snuck up and sucker punched me which immediately dazed me. I think they would have taken the gun and used it against me.

was revenge/hatred your primary emotion during and after the attack? Sorry to hear about it all man. I was attacked before and it was a few days before my head was right.

Revenge was the first, natural instinct. Part of me wants to go back to where it happened and wait there every night until someone else is victimized, just so I can step in and save them. At this point more then revenge I was to prevent this from happening to others.

I'm sorry that this happened to you. The people that did this must have a very miserable poor life. If you find out who they are, you should bring the information back to Reddit.

If I get images of who did this, I will post them every where I can, including here.

España sucks. What were you doing there to begin with?

My friend invited me. I hadn't been out of the house in awhile just wanted to get out.

I'm trying to make sense of this. You were just minding your own business, and out of nowhere you get assaulted by a group of thugs solely by the color of your skin? The cruelty of that situation is beyond comprehension. As a Texan, I'm especially concerned with bringing these thugs to justice. Have any of them been identified?

I'm waiting to be called in to identify them from video footage the owner is pulling up.

How old were the attackers? How many were there? Who helped you? Sorry about what happened OP. Wish you get better.

They were in their young 20s, atleast 4-5. A girl jumped between me and attackers and then the bar owner and security came.

If you had a gun, would have you used it?

If I had it, I would have tried to use it, I just don't know if I would have had the chance.

Do you agree that black men growing up without fathers is a big factor in these rabid pack of animals behaving this way and there being a need for discussion about this?

I think moral guidance is important during childhood development. I believe the problem is that a lot of these 'fathers' end up committing crimes like this and not fathering their children, creating a cycle. I think more community intervention is needed.

a bit off topic, do you think the Media made this thing BIG?

I think the media turned a secluded event into a national sensation. There would be no 'knock out game' with out the media.

Would have it helped if you had a concealed gun on you?

No, I don't think in this situation it would have helped me, but only gotten me killed. I was blind sided by the punch, and that punch had me completely dazed. If I tried to take a gun out, it would have been taken and used against me.

What type of area did this occur in?

A nice part of town. It's the college district. Actually right in around the corner (1 minute) from the San Antonio FBI complex.

I am curious what you look like before the injuries. So sorry this happened.

http://s28.postimg.org/5wp69900t/image.jpg

I can upload a picture I took with my son a couple weeks ago. Give me a few.

The admins are of http://www.reddit.com/r/iama are making me move my iama to http://www.reddit.com/casualiama it doesn't make sense. This happened after my story reached the front page of reddit. Please go there and re upvote my story so people can hear about what happened to me.

MODs are asking me for more proof so I have uploaded the case # provided to me after the attack, personal facebook page, picture of myself holding a paper with "reddit", date, and username, and a personal picture that only I have from after the attack.

How did it happen, were there any warning signs? Did they look suspicious approaching you? Did you even see them approach? What can someone do to avoid, prepare or expect confrontation and run?

I didn't see it coming. I parked in a place I normally wouldn't because I couldn't find any other spots. That was a mistake.

So sorry that happened, but I'm glad you're okay. Hope they get caught. I don't really have a question.

I questioned if I would survive it, during the attack, glad I pulled through.

You mentioned that you thought you might be kidnapped by them, what do you think they were going to do, try and ransom you or something?

I was wearing a nice suit. I think they thought I had a bunch of money somewhere. I had my house keys in my pocket. They would have taken me to the ATM or to my house to clean it out.

What exactly is the "knockout game"? is it just a term or is it an actual specific thing? i saw in the artile a mention about it.

It's where someone sneaks up on an unsuspecting victim and hits them. Sometimes you get robbed, sometimes they just run off. The main point is to try and knock them out in one hit.

Is your face alright? Did the doctors say that it will heal well?

I need to go back in for a check up tomorrow. I had a fracture, concussion and a eye socket knocked loose. I feel much better after 2 days, but still very disfigured.

is the stereotype true? are most attackers african american ? (or were they in your case) and what are your thoughts on the matter

In my case my attackers were black.

As I'm leaving I am walking towards my car and I was passing a group of people who were arguing. I told them a joke that boisterous arguing impedes the progress of society. Everyone kinda laughed and we all walked away. I was walking up to my car and an unknown person came from behind me and I heard "get the white boy" when I turned around I got hit and fell down, was completely disoriented. As soon as I hit the ground I heard them say "KNOCK OUT!". But I wasn't completely knocked out. I was conscious enough to stop them from just taking what was in my pockets. When I figured out what they were trying to do, I tried to escape, but when I would try to squirm away they would yell "stomp that white boy out" and they stomped on my head and face. I heard people from the original group I talked to coming back and saying "hey stop doing that to him" and "someone help him". I think everyone who witnessed it was too afraid to do anything. In the end a girl jumped in to my aid and the bartender and security staff finally came, but at this point I was almost beaten into a coma.

The police report says you told them there was a fight going on when you left the bar, but you and the owner of the place said there wasn't.

Why would the officer lie or modify the story? Do you remember the officers name? Was he black?

I was really confused about what had just happened to me, and was pretty disoriented. There were people all around saying all sorts of different things. The officer must have misconstrued 'arguing' with 'fighting'. There was no actual fight. I wouldn't have walked by that by myself, or got involved.

Did anyone in the area try to help out? Also, how bout them broncos?

Many bystanders did nothing. I guess they were afraid they would end up as victims too. A girl ended up jumping between me and the attackers, and the bar owner and security came, my attackers fled.

I just got told about this AMA.

Sorry to hear such things happened, are you or have you already filed charges for such a horrible racial attack ?

Black on white racism and violence really needs to be dealt with.

Yes, I reported it to the police. Just waiting for images so I can pick out who did this.

Damn good luck.

I would recommend training in a martial art to help you get over this one the healing begins. I know other people who have had similar situations and feeling confident in a physical allegation for the future gave them the confidence back that they once had.

I train krav maga. I'll keep training.

whats it like to embrace diversity? was this your first experience with diversity? if no, could you tell us about your first time?

I have a very diverse family. One of my brothers is half black.

so you are quite used to embracing diversity? do you think if the attackers knew you had already embraced diversity they would have left you alone?

I think if they would have known me personally they would never have done this to me.

Do you already have a girlfriend/wife?

Yes, I have a wife, and a son.

Do you now believe blacks are inherently more violent than whites?

All humans are capable of extremely violent acts.

Do you actually believe you were a victim of a 'game'? What are your thoughts on the idea that the knockout game is a concept created by a mass media? Have you ever considered that this was just a jumping--an incredibly common phenomena that is in no way new to the United States?

I've answered all of these questions, a couple of times.

Why not just say you were assaulted?

Because there is more to it then that.

Have your views on segregation changed?

Black on non-black crime is on the rise, some places simply aren't safe for non-blacks.

I don't blame the race. All people do some really messed up things sometimes.

You deserved it for being white. If it wasn't for you slavery would have never existed.

This can't be serious...